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Pastor Says Women Wearing Trousers & Men Doing Jerry Curl Will Go To Hell
Feb 13, 2017 – Lord Chosen GO Pastor Lazarus Muoka Says Women Wearing Trousers & Men Perming Their Hair Will Go To Hell
The founder of the Lord’s Chosen Ministries, Pastor Lazarus Muoka on Sunday raised eyebrows after declaring that men who perm their hair and women wearing trousers will not make heaven.
Muoka gave the warning while addressing his followers during the just concluded international crusade in Ijesha, Lagos.
He charged his followers to repent before giving their offerings to God.
See the transcript of his message below
“I want to tell you, you don’t need extra eye, make up or bangle or attachment at all. You don’t need to dress and show your nakedness, your ass, your chest, your armpit, your tummy, your waist, your lap….that is sin. Cover your body properly.
“And if you are a young man and you are doing jerry coil and you make your hair like a woman, use some funny language…and when they ask you where are you from and you say Naija instead of Nigeria, something is wrong with you.
“The Bible tells us that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God. If you are a woman wearing trousers that’s a sin. If you are a man wearing skirt and blouse, that’s an abomination.
“Search your life, repent of your sin and God will show you mercy. God loves you. It is not the will of God that any soul should perish.”
“Which means unbelief is sin, unforgiveness is sin, so is selfishness, anger, hatred, lie, pride, envy, covetousness, blasphemy, bearing grudge, speaking evil of other people, backbiting, gossiping, disobedience, all these are terrible sin.
“Going to native doctors to make charms or being a native doctor is a terrible sin. Belonging to secret cults, open cults or marine cults, withcraft cults, all of them are terrible sins. Renounce them and give your life to Jesus Christ.
“I want to remind you, if you are into such kind of occultism, you will be working for satan and suffering. If you are into occultism, give your life to Jesus and the Lord will save you and grant you victory in JESUS name. All those that are stealing, picking pockets, one chance, armed robbery, breaking into homes and carting away with people’s belongings, that is a life of wickedness. It is a terrible sin.
“If you are still a fraudster or into Internet fraud, don’t give your money in this church, we don’t need it at all. Amend your ways and promise God that you will do them no more. Take note, if you are involved in fornication, adultery or masturbation, these are terrible sins which give the devil the legal right to torment you, afflict you, put you in perpetual sorrow.
“Or maybe you are involved in homosexuality, lesbianism or into kidnapping, murder, ritual, amend your ways. The bible says there’s no peace in the Lord with the wicked. If you are a terrorist, we don’t need your money in this church at all. Amend you ways. Or you are among those who are disobedient to their husbands, or fighting your husband, that is a terrible sin.
“Those who are experts in taking and giving bribes, or force money from people, that is sin. Or maybe you are involved in smuggling, smoking, alcoholic drinks, whether you are drinking it or selling to people or serving people, you must repent and not drink it, not sell it to people, not work in breweries and not work in any hotel where such things take place,” .
SOBO
February 13, 2017 at 1:18 AM
NOTHING WE WILL NOT SEE OR HEAR FROM THIS SO CALL MAN OF DEVIL OH SORRY MAN GOD
Metu Nyetu
February 13, 2017 at 6:05 AM
CARELESS SPEECH!
Vivienne
February 13, 2017 at 2:19 AM
He’s very right. I totally agree with what he stands for. He’s bold and I like that! Babe Olukoya says these all the time!
Vivienne
February 13, 2017 at 2:20 AM
He’s very right. I totally agree with what he stands for. He’s bold and I like that! Baba Olukoya says these all the time!
Bok
February 13, 2017 at 3:53 AM
so now the pastor know who will go hell and heaven, but remember JESUS CHRIST is a friend of sinners.
Prophet Gbenga Rotimi 'KINI IWO NFE'
February 13, 2017 at 4:15 AM
GOD bless you Sir, If we ministers of GOD can stand on our feet to speak the throught, I believe our society will change for good, some ministers of GOD minister for money not for heaven because they were call because of materials in life, they eat everything they see because they were called by material things in like that is they preach on money,business,cars,houses,connection etc
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Joyful
February 13, 2017 at 4:17 AM
What a about white people that bring missionary to africa?all white m e n perm their hair almost all white women wear trousers because of the cold weather here in Europe.will they all go to hell?
Joyce
February 13, 2017 at 5:51 AM
@ Joyful, never use other people as a parameter to evaluate yourself. 2cor 13:5 says everybody should examine his or herself. The bible is our standard and not any earthly being. The white people brought the gospel to us and if they are not living up to expectation, thank God we now can read for ourselves. The Bible even stated it in Matt 20:16 that, the first will last. Only few will appreciate the truth. That is why only few will follow the narrow and road and small gate.
OLA
February 13, 2017 at 3:16 PM
POINT OF CORRECTION, THE BIBLE IS YOUR STANDARS. NOT MINE!
fifelomo
February 13, 2017 at 6:18 AM
Has he bn to hell before?
Ego
February 13, 2017 at 5:49 PM
@Fifelomo good question
Metu Nyetu
February 13, 2017 at 6:22 AM
THE LORD’S CHOSEN IS one church that if you are able to keep all their codes, NOTHING would take heaven from you. Nonetheless, I doubt if merely wearing trousers would send a soul to hell. I don’t think that trousers are exclusive for men. We have men’s shoes, we have women’s; we have men’s shirts, we have women’s; we have men’s wrist watches, perfumes, hats, eye glasses—and we have women’s in all these. Why, then, is it a problem when the same applies to trousers?
THIS IS why I don’t think that anybody should be bold about who goes to hell for wearing trousers, or for using make-up. But as individuals, if your conscience troubles you about it, you may decide to quit. Not wearing trousers does not make a woman old-fashioned, just like wearing it does not make her intelligent. The key is decent dressing.
Nnamdi
February 13, 2017 at 6:24 AM
One’s physical appearance does not determin wether he or she is a true Christian or not. When people perm their hair or wear trousers in a decent way, that does not mean they will go to hell. What about people who pretend to be real Christians, never perm their hair or wear trousers but are no 1 in doing bad things? All I can say is that everyone should amend their ways and always do what is right because as human beings, we know what is right and wrong. Talk about the other things the man of God mentioned above, I agree but when you dress well, look responsible and clean, it can’t be a sin. You can read Galatians 5:16. Deuteronomy 22:5 talks about men not wearing women cloths and women not wearing men’s cloth. But I think when we read this verse, we get confused. If we follow what the scripture said, men and women have trousers respectively. I can say that women do not need to wear the type that people can see her body. Like I said earlier, we know what is wrong and right. Keep doing what is right and God will continue to bless you. I am not a pastor pls. I just think that being judgemental is a sin. It’s good to teach people the good things not to judge them.
Chima Kalu
February 13, 2017 at 7:11 AM
This is one of the few ‘Men of God’ who do not sit on the fence. A spade should be called a spade, not just an Agricultural implement . Sin is sin according to bible standards. There is nothing like ‘Modern Christianity’. Narrow is the way that leads to eternal life and few people are on it, while broad is the way that leads to Hell fire and many ,including pastors, are on it. The kingdom of God is neither bread and butter,nor in fashion,but in righteousness. Let us repent before it is too late.Heaven and Hell are as real as the rising and setting of the sun
omalanze
February 13, 2017 at 9:37 AM
my able pastor may heavenly father keep endowing you to preach about righteous and holiness without cares what people are.saying about you and your ministry..
Bench
February 13, 2017 at 7:12 AM
Is not good say womens are wears trouser bicos it make them super. It make them curve. It make Keneth to stand up. Bicos when I see woman weyris wear trouser, Keneth go just stand up. I go tell am to sit down but it no go gree. It go dey very strong. It go want to tear my boxers. It make my trouser to change shape. Keneth no de hear word o. So it no good say womens are wear trouser until Keneth sabi something. Keneth na animal.
Rachel
February 13, 2017 at 2:16 PM
Hahahahaha…..yea, keneth indeed!
Endurance
February 13, 2017 at 8:15 AM
Pastor do know that circumstances vary. Our heavenly father is a God of justice who can tamper justice with mercy and who is not rigid in his law and his way of life. When it comes to the issue of trouser wearing,it absolutely depend on where you are in the part of the world. Can a woman who live in an extremely cold region put on IRO and BUBA? Or is that the right time for her to put on skirt? Can skirt withstand such an extremely cold weather? A woman who ones to go about her daily activities cannot put on skirt when a weather temperature has risen to the freezing level. We are humans are not created as robot,we are intelligent creatures with wisdom. Our God has given us the wisdom to live a life that is pleasing to him. Why should a woman who is not facing any life threatening weather put on a trouser? Doing that would clearly amount to sin on her part. Our girls here that are putting on trousers are seriously violating God’s divine law because they have no basis for it except for the NYSC who often engage in rigorous exercise while on training. The issue of coiling ones hair also depends on who we are referring to. If an african man perm his hair then he’s committing sin. A white man who already has a coiled hair may use a shampoo to wash his hair which will definitely look as if he’s perming his hair. Pastor are we going to say such ones will go to hell? Let’s leave judgement to God. While it is good to preach what the bible says regarding dressing and grooming,our focus should be our love for God and for our neighbor. A woman can adhere strictly to a biblical instruction on how we should dress and not make heaven. Whereas that woman who lives in Russia or australia who sometimes put on trouser because of there extreme cold weather will make heaven,why because she loves God and her neighour and keep all his commandments.
Nnamdi
February 13, 2017 at 9:52 AM
You are definitely wrong my dear. You can’t say that some people should do it because of the weather condition in their country. They can perm their hair because they are white and have a coiling hair while people from other country shouldn’t do it. Does that mean every human being is not equal in the eyes of God? Sin is sin. And for your information; in a white man’s land, the weather isn’t cold from year to year. Our mind is corrupt in Africa because of the way we reason. We don’t mind our business. We condemn everything because of over rightouse, at the end of the day we end up not doing the will of God in secret. Oppose and give an understanding advice or support and do the same. I cut my hair because that is the way I want to look. People who perm their hair could be doing it because of one reason or the other. Your motive in this regard matters. As for wearing trousers, I am sure you know that every where in the world, there are trousers specially sewed for women and that of men. If you say everyone should wear theres’, I will agree but if you condemn trousers completely and say some countries should wear it and some shouldn’t, I disagree.
Metu Nyetu
February 13, 2017 at 12:49 PM
WONDERFUL COMMENT@NNAMDI! IF TROUSER IS sin, it is sin irrespective of which country you live in. To say that God overlooks women who wear trousers because of harsh weather condition or because of NYSC is like saying that God should as well overlook a man who steals because he was very hungry, or who falls into temptation because the temptation was too much. After all, hunger is a weather condition of the stomach. There ain’t no such thing as some people permitted to wear trousers while others are not, for that is partiality. And partiality is not an attribute of God. If trouser is sin for women in Nigeria, it is sin for women in Moscow, in Georgia, or in a remote village in The Gambia.
Ego
February 13, 2017 at 5:51 PM
True talk
prince
February 13, 2017 at 8:23 AM
Pastor s a big lie.
Maria
February 13, 2017 at 9:13 AM
The Pastor has said the mind of God. God is not asking whether you want to listen to it or not. When you leave this earth and realize the truth about his preaching, you will cry. Why not kneel down and asked God if what the Pastor is saying is truth or not and be ready for correction. Many will cry when it is too late for them to repent.
b y
February 13, 2017 at 9:19 AM
i wish pastor muoka lazarus and pastor w f kumuyi and my family heaven at last becouse they are speaking the truth
Pat
February 13, 2017 at 12:08 PM
His mother committed the greatest sin. She gave birth to a *****. Him. What rubbish.
Metu Nyetu
February 13, 2017 at 12:50 PM
WONDERFUL COMMENT@NNAMDI! IF TROUSER IS sin, it is sin irrespective of which country you live in. To say that God overlooks women who wear trousers because of harsh weather condition or because of NYSC is like saying that God should as well overlook a man who steals because he was very hungry, or who falls into temptation because the temptation was too much. After all, hunger is a weather condition of the stomach. There ain’t no such thing as some people permitted to wear trousers while others are not, for that is partiality. And partiality is not an attribute of God. If trouser is sin for women in Nigeria, it is sin for women in Moscow, in Georgia, or in a remote village in The Gambia.
Brave Hunter
February 13, 2017 at 2:43 PM
@ MARIA, MAY GOD IN HEAVEN continue to bless you and your entire house from this day on to the end of your life for that straightforward and sincere comment from you.
All of you who are trying to PAINT SIN to your convinience, keep it up. On the judgement day many will realised to their utmost disappointment when it must have become a matter or enternal regrate that they have been decieving themselves all along. I am not to judge. Thats God‘s entire business.
But then If the Word of God says something is a sin, even if it is a Pastor, Revrend, Bishop, Pope, Evangelist, Christian, muslim or Angels that commits it, it is still a sin.
So we should stop decieving ourselves. God cannot compromise Himself because of any soul.
I take a stroll…
Endurance
February 13, 2017 at 3:33 PM
God doesn’t reason the way man reason. He doesn’t need anyone to challenge his way of judgement either. If you guys have read some few examples in the bible,then you will come to see that sometimes God is not rigid in his laws. He reasoned very deeply more than we do as human. He is not a mortal man like us. Take for instance when Abraham pleaded on behalf of sinful sodom and gomorah. God declared his adverse judgment against that city and on hearing this,abraham quickly and humbly pleaded that what if he finds 50 righteous ones in that city,will he destroy it? God said no. Abraham pleaded and reduced the number until it was 10. Through out those period God said “(he would change his mind)” from destroying that very city if he found those numbers of righteous ones abraham was pleading on their behalf. Isaiah 55:11 tells us that “whatever that goes forth from God’s mouth shall prove to be” if that is the case,then why did God not destroy sodom and gomorah right away since he has already declared that very city fit for destruction? why did God say he would change his mind from destroying the city if he found just 10 righteous ones in it despite the fact that sodom and gomorah was filled with those practising homosexuals and other terrible sin? This example goes on to tell us that though God made and gave us laws in the bible but can also choose to tamper justice with mercy if there is a need to base on the circumstances on the ground. And no one can question him for that. Sometimes he’s not rigid as we think. He view situation perfectly well before deciding. Those women putting on trousers in a very cold part of the world does that with a good reason. And ones that extremely cold weather has dissipated in their lands,why should they continue to put it own? They have to stop it. And @Metu you may be surprise that God may forgive that man that steal because of hunger. A woman who was well dressed stole a roasted plantain in a market place in my area and was apprehended. But after hearing her plea for leniency due to lack of money and that she has not eating since a day before the incident,everyone in the scene of the incident pitied and forgive her. One man even gave her money afterward. If we humans could be highly reasonable and tamper justice with mercy that way,how much more so with our heavenly father the God of justice and wisdom. God may treat one matter differently base on the given circumstances available. That doesn’t mean he’s partial. Again take for instance a woman in the bible who was about to be stoned to death because she violated God’s law. Normally she was suppose to be stone to death for her adulterous act but was spared by jesus christ. Can we say that was partial on the part of the son of the most high? That would be ridiculous to reason that way. That further tells us how shortsighted our sense of judgement can be as human when compared with those who live in the realm above. Let’s have that very clearly in mind. God declared in Isaiah 55:8,9 that “my thought are not your thoughts and your ways are not my ways. For as the heaven are higher than the earth so my ways are higher than your ways and my thought than your thoughts”. He may decide things otherwise based on his perfect sense of judgement. For this reason, Let’s leave judgement for him alone. Let’s not decide who will go to hell fire based on wears. Let’s leave that for the supreme judge alone.
Jordan jonhson
February 13, 2017 at 3:47 PM
Pastor you are a backward human being you are the first one the is going straight to hell!! Nonsense
Jordan jonhson
February 13, 2017 at 3:48 PM
Nonsense pastor
Jordan jonhson
February 13, 2017 at 3:50 PM
Pastor you shouldn’t eat monitor lizard and pangolin. Nonsense
Jordan jonhson
February 13, 2017 at 3:53 PM
Pastor GO TO HELL!!! Nonsense
Endurance
February 13, 2017 at 4:00 PM
Pastor its a BIG, FAT LIE
fifelomo
February 13, 2017 at 4:44 PM
Can someone tell Lazarus Mouka that a pastor who buys a private jet while members of his congregation dies in penary is definitely going to the deepest part of hell fire.
Ego
February 13, 2017 at 5:47 PM
What about pastors using tithe to rob their members where will they go?
Liar
iron bar
February 13, 2017 at 6:29 PM
His personal opinion..they should quote the scriptures and shouldnt go contratry or mislead
MAN
February 13, 2017 at 10:28 PM
RAW MESSAGE.
Victory
February 13, 2017 at 11:53 PM
Fashion and style has nothing to do with heaven and hell. All God require from us is a good heart,love,obedience and a positive mind. The pastor that is talking about heaven is not even sure of himself making it to heaven because by their fruits we shall know them
Jilo
February 14, 2017 at 4:15 PM
Thanks for your comments. The Pastor has also emphasized on other aspect of sins. Wearing a trousers or doing Jerry Curl is not the only determinant factor in selecting whose goes to heaven or hell. I think God’s judges based on your intention. If your intention is to seduce men by wearing trouser, then that becomes a sin. If you wear trouser to protect yourself from harsh weather, I don’t think that is a sin.
There are many many men of God who are not really doing Gods wishes. They ignore Gods commandments and ordinances yet people look at them as a saint where as they have not secured enough credit to have a place in the kingdom of heaven. Action shall be judge according to our intention.
Evangelist Philip. A.O
February 14, 2017 at 1:00 AM
Pastor had spoken the undiluted, infallible and inerrant word of God. The truth is not meant to be sweet, God cannot change, compromise or lower His standard for any man and for any reason, the standard to make it to heaven atlast is a high one and it is possible to leave up to that standard. Let’s stop being religious and sinning and let’s embrace the practice of Christ life which clearly defines what Christianity is. IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE THERE IS HELL, YOU WILL WHEN YOU GET THERE, but then it will be too late.
T-Jay
February 14, 2017 at 2:34 AM
Don’t judge so you won’t be judge. You don’t condemn people to hell because of wearing of trousers. You fake pastors should stop this propaganda and your message of hates. Don’t stand in the place of God to judge others. The ways of God’s judgement cannot be understood by a mortal man neither can we confine his unfathomable judgement merely on what is written in the pages of the bible. His ways are unsearchable so stop judging others. And four your information HELL is not a place of torment. Its a place both the righteous and the wicked will go. Prove me wrong with bible verses and let me also prove you wrong with bible quotations. People should beware of fake messengers of God and their false teachings.
Metu Nyetu
February 14, 2017 at 5:57 AM
@T-JAY, YOU DON carry come! Hell is not a place of torment, kwo? Explain what you mean before I know how to come in.
Metu Nyetu
February 14, 2017 at 5:58 AM
@T-JAY, YOU DON carry come! Hell is not a place of torment, kwo? Explain what you mean before I know how to come in.
Metu Nyetu
February 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM
@T-JAY, YOU DON carry come! Hell is not a place of torment, kwo? Explain what you mean before I know how to come in.
Ronald
February 14, 2017 at 6:55 AM
All the offering money,tight,gift for years..he should share it to the poor members of the church…scammers
Jilo
February 14, 2017 at 4:26 PM
The Pastor will never talk about title because that one is reserved for the pastors only. May be they don’t see anything wrong in using Church tithe to procure private jets, magnificent mansion yet people they are ministering upon are living in abject poverty. God is watching.
Prowess
February 14, 2017 at 7:05 AM
heaven is HOLY, God is HOLY, the angels are HOLY, the spirit is called HOLY spirit. ANy thing that is not holy will never enter. Deuteronomy 22 vs 5 says women sholud not wear any thing that pertainneth to men. If you disobey God’s word is a Sin, and Sinners cannot Enter Heaven. Believe it or not, SO MANY REVELATIONS HAS BEEN SEEN CONCERNING LADIES WEARING TROUSERS AND MEN PERMING THEIR HAIR (JERRY COIL). A word is enough for the wise. Dont say you were not warned/told.
Prowess
February 14, 2017 at 7:24 AM
believe it or not So many revelations concerning these two issues have be seen. Dont think that those sins people categorised as ‘small sin’does not count. As a matter of fact they count.SIN IS SIN.Heaven is HOLY, God is HOLY, The spirit is called HOLY spirit. Therefore no thing whatsover that has a dot of stain in his/her garment shall enter into the kingdom of God. Deuteronomy 22 vs 5 says women should not wear any thing that pertaineth to men. disobedience is a sin before God. NO sinner shall enter into heaven. Have you ever wonder the rate at which people do these things is so high in the society? The devil knows that his time is very short, he is doing every thing possible to pack and drag so many people to HELL. A word they say is enough for the wise. Dont say you were not told/warned.
Brave Hunter
February 14, 2017 at 7:56 AM
I AM VERY much convienced that all those supporting the wearing of trousers by women and calling the man of God names are definitely the members from Christ Embassy and Living Faith Church. I pity you all. I dont blame you, its because in your church, naked truths on what to avoid as Christians preparing for Heaven are never taught. The only thing you are taught is how to provok the Lord with your pockets for finacial breakthrough not spiritual holy living. They seem to care more about your pockets than they do your souls. Shame and enternal regrets await you if you dont start seeking for a true Church where Jesus, Holiness, and Heaven is their message.
You guys are spiritually empty and detest anything that seem to want to shift you from your comfort zone.
Be there decieving yourselves and calling a man of God names. On the last day you‘ll have God Himself to contend with when there would be no more Naijagists to post your nasty comments condemning the message from a man of God.
I take a stroll…
T-Jay
February 14, 2017 at 10:55 AM
@Metu may the living God be with you. Am also glad you wish to know the basic bible teachings regarding the word HELL in the bible. I will also like to encourage others to join our conversation. Now the word HELL in the bible is not a place of fiery torment as so many religion teaches today. To get the truth you will need various bible translations to get the actual fact. According to king james version psalm 9:17 says “the wicked shall be turn into ‘hell’ and all the nations that forget God” now let’s check another bible translation. According to the [new living translation] psalm 9:17 says “the wicked will go down to the ‘grave’, this is the fate of all the nation who ignore God”. Another bible translation called [New international version] psalm 9:17 says “the wicked will go down to the ‘realm of the dead’, all the nations that forget God”. Another translations called [american standard version] psalm 9:17 says
“The wicked shall be turned back unto ‘sheol,’even all the nations that forget God”.
According to the original hebrew word refer to as ‘sheol’ it means (grave). Now when translated into other bible versions by several bible scholars. They translated it as “HELL”, “the realm of the dead”, “grave”. Some bible translators used or maintained the original hebrew word called “Sheol” during their translation which means the [common grave of mankind]. Clearly the original hebrew word “sheol” means “grave”, “hell”, “the realm of the dead”. Now who are those teaching that HELL is a place of fiery torment? The bible translators have mislead the world population through their various translations into believing that their is a fiery place of torment where people will be roasted and burnt eternally in the fire without dying. This teaching is false and poisonous ! I need your conversations please.
Jilo
February 14, 2017 at 4:36 PM
If any woman wearing a pair of trousers walk into this man’s Church and make a donation of #5 million trust me this pastor will never raise issue of wearing trousers or jerry curl. He will accept the money because “Owo ni keke ihinrere” he can even tells his congregants that this is type of woman they need in the church. Most of them do not go by what they preach.
Endurance
February 14, 2017 at 8:07 PM
@jilo I so much like your comments. No doubt the bible truly condemn female wearing men’s cloth the same with men putting on female cloth. But what I kick against and found very unreasonable is that,a woman who’s house is freezing due to hash weather condition in her part of the world should be walking about with mere skirts. Even during when freezing temperature is in it highest putting on a very tick pullover gown as a woman will not be sufficient to save her life. Her life will most likely be in danger if she keep exposing herself using skirt to go about her daily activities. Do you now think in that situation God will not understand it for such ones if they put on trousers while going about their daily lives under that extreme freezing weather condition? Many think God can be ruled and be guarded absolutely by what is inscribed or pen down in the bible without deciding otherwise if necessary. Several examples from the bible have repeatedly proved that sometimes God used to deviate from his laws to pardon we humans. Take for example the law given to the isrealite that THOU SHALL NOT COMMITT ADULTERY. Ordinarily whoever did that back then was to be put to death. Sometime latter King David committed adultery with another man’s wife and even went as far as killing her husband. Now in that situation what do we expect God to have done to him according to the ‘law’ that kick against the committing of adultery? God would have just execute him instantly according to the law. But God chose not to ACT according to the written law. Surprisingly he pardoned King David after hearing his plea through his fervent prayer and regret. This example shows that God is not a rigid person that “must” follow his laws. God may choose to lower his standard due to circumstances he sees and pardon that person involved. The same also goes to women putting on trousers in that extremely cold part of the world. God is not a cold hearted human that would always act within the framework of his laws without weighing matters. The fact is that,why our african pastors are hammering on this topic is because they are not living in those region. If they do,they will be the first to tell their wives to look for very tick trousers and put them on. People tend to be over righteous and believe they can act as judge for God. They will never mention the unscriptural tithes they are using to enrich themselves while there parishioners are wallowing in abject poverty. Only the fools can be fooled by this men.
Lola O
February 14, 2017 at 8:26 PM
And if you are “Pastor” stealing money from your church members?, or using mind control to take advantage of vulnerable people running to Church in their mostly mistaken belief that they will find solace and solutions to their problems? He is attacking ordinary people while refusing to address the get-rich scheme called church nowadays. Lest you forget, Pastor hell and Armageddon messenger, the Bible states that judgment will start from the Church, that is, beginning with the Pastors, Prophets, leaders etc.
Metu Nyetu
February 15, 2017 at 6:52 AM
@T-Jay, thanks, and may God bless you, too! First of all, the arguments of whether hell is a place of torment or not seem to me like a rather diversionary tactic by the devil to keep people from knowing the basic truth. If I believe with you today that hell is just the place of the “dead”, and that there is nothing like everlasting torment there, I have not known the basic truth. If, on the other hand, I stick to my belief that hell is everlasting punishment, I have not known the basic truth either. The “basic truth” is what a Christian needs to do in order to avoid hell, whether it be a place of torment or not. Therefore, it beats me when, in the heat of critical questions with eternal significance, the argument rises as to what is hell. If you were stranded in a desert and you get word that a car was coming to help you, would your focus be on the colour of the car or on the car itself?
THIS IS why I look at such arguments as merely academic exercises, but not spiritual. And so, if I engage you today in this, know that whatever we may learn in the course of our discuss would not necessarily book us into heaven(another word of controversy), nor deny us a room their.
THAT SAID, I will now like us to understand the concept of death according to the bible. When God told Adam that he would die if he ate the fruit, and Adam finally ate it, did he die? You and I know that after the Fall of Adam, Adam went on to procreate, and you and I are his offspring. So did God lie? The answer is, No!
THIS MAKES it pertinent to understand that the bible does not always speak of death as the cessation of life. Death, in its strictest sense, is separation from God. And that is what happened at Eden; God withdrew Himself from man. So when the Psalms talk of the place of the dead, or Sheol, or the grave, is it outrageous to claim it refers to the place of those who, though alive, have been separated from God? The bible says that once we were dead until we were made alive with Christ (Ephesians 2:1-5). This is spiritual death and spiritual life. But you have constrained your focus to physical death.
NOW, LOOK at this: When Jesus was speaking about hell, He said, “‘The worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.”(Mark 9:48). The worms feed on the flesh in hell. Now, if people actually die in hell, it means that there would come a time when the worms would eat through all the putrid carcass in hell. And when there is nothing more to eat, the worms would die. But the bible says the worms live on. This means that their food, the humans that were unfortunate to go to hell, is ever present. For the food to be ever present, the humans have to be alive. And ask yourself why the fire continues to burn. If the humans put in hell die and burn away, what need is it for the fire to continue burning? To torture the worms? Or why should the bible stress that the fire never goes out? He who has an ear, let him hear.
T-Jay
February 15, 2017 at 9:48 PM
Obviously you are talking about MARK 9:43-48 where jesus said “and if thie hand offend thee cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed than having two hands go into hell into the fire that shall never be quenched. Where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched“.
First we’ve identified “HELL” as a common “GRAVE” of mankind where both the good and bad people will go.
Permit me to further prove that point. Job for instance was known before God and man that he was a righteous person. In fact God said Job was a man blameless and upright,meaning he was a righteous man. Do you now know that when job was seriously afflicted with malignant boil by the devil he eventually begged God to allow him to go to HELL? Now If “HELL” was a place of torment, would a righteous man like Job prayed that God should allow him to go to HELL? Now let us quote from different bible versions. According to [NEW AMERICA STANDARD BIBLE] Job 14:13 says “o that you would hide me in “SHEOL”,that you would conceal me until your wrath return to you. That you will set a limit for me and remember me”. Now let’s check other translations. According to Duoay-Rheim bible version Job 14:13 says. “Who will grant me this,that thou mayest protect me in “HELL” and hide me till thie wrath pass,and appoint me a time thou wilt remember me”. According to King James bible version Job 14:13 says “O that thou wouldest hide me in the “GRAVE” that thou wouldest keep me secret,until thy wrath be past,that thou wouldest appoint me a set time,and remember me!”. Clearly if HELL is a fiery place of torment ,a righteous man like Job would not have prayed that God allow him go to a place meant for the wicked. On the contrary,Job was begging God to let him die so he could stop passing through the severe pain he was experiencing because in the grave the lifeless human body know no pain. He also said until God remember him: meaning he has the hope that God would resurrect him back to life someday. So Job had the sure hope of resurrection through which the dead can only come back to life.
let’s go back to Jesus point you raised earlier concerning worm that never die for the wicked that has been cast into HELL where the wicked will experience unquenchable fire.
Now for us to know exactly what jesus meant here we have to consider various bible translations. Why we are doing this is because some bible translators used the original hebrew word or greek words for translating their bible and that is where we can get the real truth. While some bible scholars used words that sooth their mind to translate their own bible. So let’s check several bible translations. According to new [international version] MARK 9:43-45 says “if your hand causes you to stumble,cut it off,it is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell”.Now according to J.B PILLIPS NEW TESTAMENT mark 9:43-45 says “indeed,if it is your own hand that spoils your faith,you must cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than to keep both your hands and go to the “RUBBISH HEAP”. Where worm does not die and the fire is not quenched”. According to NEW AMERICA BIBLE(Revised edition) Mark 9:43-45 says if your hand causes you to sin,cut it off it is better for you to enter into life maimed than with two hands. To go into “GEHENNA” into the unquenchable fire.
Now we have three deferent words in those three bible translations. And they are “HELL”, “RUBBISH HEAP” and “GEHENNA”. Now to start with,GEHENNA is the original greek word in the manuscript translated to as “HELL” in most bible translations. Now the question is,what does GEHENNA refer to in greek word? Gehenna was a valley at the back of ancient jerusalem where many carcasses of both animals and of human criminals not worthy of proper burial along with other rubbish swept from jerusalem were dumped. The fire consuming those “RUBBISH HEEP” at the back of Jerusalem were meant to keep burning with the help of sulfur. That symbolize the unquenchable fire that jesus christ was talking about. Now jesus was using that word “GEHENNA”,“RUBBISH HEAP” that other bible scholars translated into HELL as a symbol of everlasting destruction to tell his listeners that it would be better for them to loss certain part of their body than to allow all their body be thrown into that unquechable fire of GEHENNA or “RUBBISH HEEP” so to speak. Certainly those that jesus was speaking to understood what he was saying that whoever was thrown into “HELL”, “GEHENNA”,“RUBBISH HEEP” at the back of Jerusalem symbolically would not have the privilege to live again. GEHENNA, translated into HELL signify everlasting destruction of the wicked with no hope of resurrection. What do we expect to see in a lifeless body burning in GEHENNA? The burning dead body would certainly become a feast for maggot,worm in what has now become the GRAVE OR HELL at the back of jerusalem symbolically for the wicked. So jesus was using the word GEHENNA or HELL or RUBBISH HEEP at the back of jerusalem as a symbol of total destruction of the wicked people.
Again bible translators have brought serious confusion to the real teachings found in God’s word the bible for their refusal to use the hebrew or greek language found in the original manuscript to translate the bible. So the word “HELL” is a common grave of mankind and not a place of torment for the wicked. If you have any point please don’t hesitate to share with me. Or for further clarification you can call on any jehovah’s witnesses around you and raise the same topic with them. Or make your own research online. Just type meaning of SHEOL or MEANING OF GEHENNA. You will see several bible commentaries that are not written by any jehovah’s witnesses but are written by other pastors who know the actual truth behind the word HELL.
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Metu Nyetu
February 16, 2017 at 4:11 PM
MY BROTHER, ONE THING WITH YOU WITNESSES IS that where the bible is figurative, you take it literal. But where it is literal, you twist it into inordinate meanings. Let me come from your point of view: if Gehenna refers to a valley behind Jerusalem, can’t one therefore infer that hell is in this world? Why can’t you people understand that the bible uses things familiar to us to explain things unfamiliar? Why does it beat you to imagine that the so-called Gehenna behind Jerusalem is only a picture of the actual GEHENNA at where God Knows?
YOU EVADED my questions but I’ll reproduce them here for the second time: Why would the fire of hell continue to burn when it had burnt off all the flesh thrown into it? The God I know does not waste anything. He refused 12 baskets of loaves to waste when he fed the 5000. So if the fire of hell continues to burn when there’s no more life in hell, does that not amount to wastefulness? Again, the worm never dies. What would they be doing when all flesh had died?
T-Jay
February 17, 2017 at 2:35 AM
If other bible versions have revealed that what KING JAMES VERSION translated as HELL in MARK 9:43-45 is also translated as “RUBBISH HEAP” or “GEHENNA” by other bible translators, all from the same original manuscript then it means we christians should begin to have a rethink concerning our long standing believe. What we should now ponder over is, why should other bible versions render HELL which is widely believe to be a place of torment as RUBBISH HEEP and GEHENNA? In mark 9:43-45? @Metu make more research. Search for the truth and know what the bible really teaches. This is not about Jehoveah’s witnesses,it is about knowing the “ACCURATE” knowledge of God as reveal in the scripture on your own. More and more facts in the bible proved that HELL is never a place of torment,rather it is a common grave where those who died are buried.